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Braided Rose
by SmokeyVW

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Submitted on: Sep 21, 2008 - 04:20:17 PM
Last Updated: Oct 05 2008 - 06:58:53 PM
Description album: Perdita
track 1: 2:03 When Darkness Long Has Veiled My Mind
track 2: 6:36 Y
track 3: 4:36 Unrecovered Memories
track 4: 3:01 Miracles
track 5: 2:16 Octonion
track 6: 6:39 Headlong Morosely
track 7: 2:37 Piano As Percussion
track 8: 7:20 Great Maker
track 9: 3:28 Braided Rose
track 10: 5:19 Bygones
track 11: 4:34 Unfettered
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Several rows braided together. They are constrained to harmonize by only major or minor chords. I used a computer to find some rows meeting this constraint.
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elektronix said 108 days ago
Very interesting!
This has an one of a kind mood.

Is this only Garageband? Or what software did you use?

Nice stuff. A little spooky...

Thank you very much for sharing!

Greetings,

Bernd

SmokeyVW said 108 days ago
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yes, GarageBand only.

i used the Orchestra JamPack and a Boldt Trumpet (JL)

thanks!

Feter said 108 days ago
Braided Rose
very nice writing and strucutre ...I liked this so !
thnx alot for sharin !!!


SmokeyVW said 108 days ago
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a duodecaphonic thank you Feter!

davisamerica said 108 days ago
wow bill ....
see ... you are a contributing reason i have yet to tackle "Logic" ... such amazing work wit GB ... makes me realize how much of a "newbie" i still am .... "duodecaphonic" indeed!

SmokeyVW said 106 days ago
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it all depends on what you're trying to do.

my main interest here is composition. the sound is good enough in GB, and i got what i wanted in terms of production.

thanks

ic42 said 108 days ago
1 rose 4/4 u
it is up and down music. it rose. it fell. the melodies intertwine in the mind. it provokes thoughts and ideas. it seems that much of the music is 4/4, however the chord sequence deceives the mind... and it does not sound of 4/4. it is a beautiful experiment. thank you to tease this mind. 0x0

SmokeyVW said 106 days ago
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since each row is 12 tones, i had the option of grouping notes into phrases that are in 3/4 or in 4/4. they are mixed in various ways here. one voice actually plays its row in 3/4 and in 4/4, and near the end it's fragmented so as to be heard in either time signature...

thanks

Char said 108 days ago
Bold trumpet;
I like that the best as it heralds that something is coming and is worth waiting for. Thanks.

ednetmonkey said 107 days ago
I agree
The dawning of ?
Very evocative. Nice one.

SmokeyVW said 106 days ago
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many thanks

SmokeyVW said 106 days ago
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about that trumpet...

initially, the synth trumpet track was so clean and pristine that it sounded fake. (no slight intended to any trumpet players out there, but trumpets generally have mistakes sprinkled throughout - brass is an unforgiving instrument.) so i added a couple of flubs to the trumpet, and it sounds much more realistic (to my ears anyway)

thanks



Moviz said 108 days ago
Love your mix
of major and minor chords in this and a great recording mix too. Sounds as though it would be cinematic music for one of those mystical historic films. Very original sounding, cheers M

SmokeyVW said 106 days ago
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the major/minor chords are a consequence of combining three rows under the constraint i gave the computer program. the program found about 1400 combinations of three rows with the required note-by-note chord relationships.

i went through a bunch of them, and picked two nearly identical sets. they were modified by swapping chords until i got something that sounded nice to me.

thanks!

craft said 107 days ago
ye
great for a soundtrack... nice arrangement... Well done

SmokeyVW said 106 days ago
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thank you

i'm glad you enjoyed this

TG said 107 days ago
Nice music Bill
it made my imagination wander what more can you ask of listener? :)

SmokeyVW said 106 days ago
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won't ask more.

thanks

LunaTrick said 107 days ago
I like this...
Interesting constraint... and affectation. Could here this with a slightly atonal vocal line!

SmokeyVW said 106 days ago
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this emerged from some experiments a few months ago in programming rows.

i wanted to find something Schoenberg-like, but with no dissonances.

of the 12! (factorial) possible rows, only around 1400 triples of them can be formed where each note forms only a major or minor chord. once you pick one row, you can still transform it by pair-wise swaps of the chords. there are lots of possibilities remaining in this space.

thanks

said 107 days ago
I bow...
...to your prolific-ness!

This sounds very cool Bill. It reminds me in places of background music to one of those old Alfred Hitchcock hour shows. Ha ha...

Braided Rose is an interesting concept to try to set to music. You are as brave as you are creative!

Be well!

SmokeyVW said 106 days ago
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you know that a row is a sequence of 12 tones such that each of the 12 chromatic tones is used once and only once.

if i did it right, there are exactly the same number of notes totalled up in the entire song for each of the 12 pitches. that would give it no tonal center, and sound a lot like much of 20th century atonal music. i don't know if Hitchcock used a tonal music a lot. Lots of horror and space or sci-fi films did for sure.

no idea if i actually did this correctly.

the title is a silly pun: braided rows.

thanks

said 106 days ago
Ha!
You wascally Pythagorean you!

michael2 said 107 days ago
bill
i am really blown away by this piece. really beautiful. you're really setting a nice mood and those melodies are outstanding. you are amazing sometimes.

SmokeyVW said 106 days ago
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without computers, this would never have been written.

i was "in the loop" in that i picked the pattern out of a slew of choices. and then i arranged it, assigned instruments and pacing and all that...

i really enjoyed blending the orch instruments in each line to form the sounds here. i spent a lot of time on that.

thanks

HenriROGERsoloandbands said 50 days ago
12

Very nice piece .
It's interesting to experiment these composition techniques .
The "serial composers" used also other parameters like pitch and rythm using the number 12 as constraint .
12 different intervals then backwards , then split in 2 parts , then reversed ... For exemple .
Then they were able to find musicians and orchestras to play it !
It was harder and it still is to find an audience more than 12 people . :-)


SmokeyVW said 7 days ago
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maybe you know the answer to this:

you take a 12-tone row and fill out a 12x12 matrix where pitch is on one axis and time is on the other. the operations you mentioned are things like mirroring on the time axis (retrograde), mirroring on the pitch axis (inversion), or operations like swapping rows or columns.

once i tried rotating the matrix or flipping it on the diagonal - which exchanges time and pitch - has any famous composer ever tried that? and what does it mean? :-)

thanks!

mjAlbumPods said 15 days ago
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http://www.macjams.com/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=6;showtopic=151051



SmokeyVW said 15 days ago
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two? cool. cool.

thanks

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