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 | paddler said 423 days ago |
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ok I'll have a shot at giving you my opninon: First off - what a great track.I made a cup of tea while both versions loaded (bless the G3).From a listeners perspective - its a really subtle change youve made and at first I couldnt see any difference,listening through speakers:- still just a great jazz track.Then I noticed in the 2nd half that the riff your playing is more emphasized - the bit that goes b-da da . . b-da da da da-da - b-da da . . etc and still pretty well balanced with the rest of the band.So well - I'd enjoy either version equally as guitapick concluded.I'll have a listen on headphones now. So - on headphones - the B3 sounds a lot clearer - which is good as its a great riff.So I'd go for the second version.My critisicm (on this kind of meticulous level - you always get me writing an essay,Tobin) would be that the piano at the beginning is panned in the middle and sounds completely natural but towards the second half seems to move off to the left (if my headphones are the right way round) and you seem to have added a very slight delay to it - my advice would be to keep it consistent with the begginning - then you dont notice 'the seam' if that makes any sense.But overall as usual the end result is excellent and seems to land somwhere between miles davis and frank zappa. Cheers! RG (ps apologies for trivially headbutting you on facebook - gave everyone one if thats of any consolation) |
 | Feter said 423 days ago |
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Lightning Strikes well both versions are rich and so alive .. but I m more biased to the B3 whenever it plugged in .this one Rock !!! |
 | thetiler said 423 days ago |
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Love how that bass is boopin and hoopin. Wozer! Love the stop and how the piano comes in like jack rabbit how of a hole. Love that theme and how well it's honored. I. I really like that one quite a bit. I think one of the real highlights is the bass. The ending is really cool! Great stuff Tobin. Wow to bring such creativeness to Macjams. |
 | TobinMueller said 422 days ago |
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v1=3; v2=5 Some folks are giving me their opinions on which version they like best and why via NOTES. Steck prefers this new version due to overall better blending. Henri Rogers prefers the original version, saying that "the organ add, with chords, is competing with the piano in this part after 1'59. Maybe adding organ soloing "monophonic" could bring what you're looking for." An excellent suggestion. Thanks guys. |
| TobinMueller said 422 days ago |
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v1=3; v2=6 iG.STUDiO likes this version better, perhaps becuz of the "hypnotizing persuasion" of my description! Thanks, Ilya. |
 | moorlandt said 422 days ago |
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version 1... ... is still my favourite. The song is driven by it's rational chaos, and I can find it just a tiny but more in the original version. My idea, for what it's worth... -Walt |
 | damiengh said 422 days ago |
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organ If you were after boosting the organ I think you achieved your objective. The mixes are pretty close, but like you said they were in stone. Powerful tune which swings hard. I'm not sure I would have had the piano and organ playing at that solo section at the same time, seem to battle one another, but perhaps that is the effect you were looking for. Man, I'd love to play in this kind of situation, has been a few years. Nothing like have your chops in tiptop shape. Like a hired gun. I like this 2nd version best, even though I found the 1st enjoyable too. Love dem horns. |
 | michael2 said 422 days ago |
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Tobin i'm liking this version better. I think that the organ is a nice touch. maybe a little unusual for this type of music, but I think it fits in really nicely. you guys sound great. job well done. |
 | thoddi said 421 days ago |
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difficult choice I'm not quite sure of which version i prefer. Although I usually would prefer the more distorted organ sound, I think that here it tend to compete with the piano in this bluesy part. And it also distracts my attention from the horns melody, which I regard as vital in this part. This may be because I'm lead to listen especially to the organ... but comparing the two versions I think I'd put my money on the first one... In the first version I look at the B3 organs role as a supportive one... Here it seems to try to get on top of the piano and take control... |
 | DWL said 419 days ago |
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Stupendous playing Difficult to avoid the Miles comparisons when you've got a flugelhorn so well played but it's none the worse for that. Personally I preferred v1 as I thought the more distorted organ on v2 rather swamped the piano and the edge was lost rather than increased. Then again, who am I to criticise such a coherent and quality piece of work? Well done sir! Cheers Dick |
 | jiguma said 419 days ago |
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More organ .... ... will always get my vote Tobin. Nicely "up" - kept my tired old foot tapping :) Neil |
 | SpasmodicMan said 418 days ago |
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How bout option 3? If all we can do is vote for these two, I vote v2. But my pref would be to somehow boost the section in question in v1 and make it more present that way. You're a wiz with mastering, can't you do that? (And when are you gonna share more from the session...!) |
 | J.A.Stewart said 418 days ago |
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Version 1 Wins My Vote I have to agree that what seemed a natural balance seems to have been disturbed by boosting the organ part in this mix. Curious phenomenon, actually... a sonic symbiosis? But sometimes the most subtle changes can make a significant difference. I hear one here. --- Joe |
 | Drew Kopr said 417 days ago |
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Very subtle difference in the two versions. I like both. I do believe the increase in volume in the organ in this section is good; however, it is now competing in volume with the piano, creating a touch of tension or resistance that I did not hear in the first version. I would suggest lowering the volume of the organ in that one Blues section by only 1/2 db to see if that blends it better with the piano (or lowering the piano in that section 1/2 db to see if it blends better with organ). |
and this and back, etc, again for the middle section...
...different feel in the v1 section...though it's a bit "busier", the piano gives a funkier feel to it than v2...percussive.
I don't think you can go wrong with either. With v1, you've got a bit more of a textural shift than with two. It's a bit funkier. V2 is a smoother transition into the horns. Allows the organ to be more of a presence in that full section, too.
Can't vote on it, Tobin. Sorry if you thought I was critical of the original in my comment. Just reread it. Nice to have a "problem" like this, though: both choices are great.
Your call, IMHO..great piece(s)....
Bob