Revolution's Son (v2, w/ dchapman, twon, Alimar, Audiocracy)
by TobinMueller

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	thoddi said 1206 days ago
	Who? These great harmonies and arrangements with the energic drums, a wall of sound together with the almost musical genre melody lines reminds me of the Who. Expecting the guitarist to do that armrolling trick Pete Townshend use to do. Great performances on every part. Hope you don't smash your equipment after the show though;)

	Rae Motte said 1170 days ago
	A good song It is a very good song, I'd like to use it for a sample, can I?

TobinMueller said 1205 days ago

Version 2 Al, thanks again for your interest, ears, time and talents on this one. I know the vocals are hotter in version one and I encourage anyone to listen to it to get the full experience of your exquisite re-engineering of the voices. I am glad you like the newer version, with the boosted bass and tasty guitar hits, it is more of a prog rock expression. Mainly, Al, thanks for caring about the music so much, your sort of connection is what makes doing this so much fun.

TobinMueller said 1205 days ago

This was indeed fun. I can't thank you enough. It was a thrill to hear that opening section with guitar. I completely agree about the guitar bringing out the potential of the piece. I, in turn, had a great time adding organ and electric piano to your forthcoming tune, How Many Times. I hope we can do many more tunes together. I know sections of this weren't easy to play along to, but you integrated your work perfectly. Thanks again!

TobinMueller said 1205 days ago

Magic fingers - real and virtual Thanks for the comments about the drumming. I spent a ton of time finding, cutting and pasting, splicing, EQing, and lining up hits in Live to fit just the right way. I wanted a real drummer feel, something virtuoso, like you hear in the best prog rock tracks, so that the drums would become an instrument as important as any of the others, not just a groove keeper. Thanks for your careful listening and encouraging comments.

	wurlygig said 1205 days ago
	epic! Yes to the lyrics! Lots of layers to sift through. Thanks.

TobinMueller said 1205 days ago

Lyrics of a masterpiece The lyrics to this song came out of a conversation I had with Troy about the nature of revolution. There is more conversation about this in the Version One comment thread. I have always believed that along with the right social- polticial-economic checks and freedoms, new parenting is the only true way to effect continuing revolution. It is a thirst, and a belief, that we can pass on to our sons and daughters. Thanks for taking the time to mine the lyrics. I really appreciate your focus on lyrics, Del. You keep me in my toes.

TobinMueller said 1198 days ago

Revolutions Thanks for the wry eye and friendly ear. I consider "parenting" to be a metaphor to evolving culture thru nurturing and example; I didn't mean to exclude you, just meant to highlight a missing element from most discussions. I think true revolution is inside, not merely structural (altho I am a huge fan of Franklin, Sam Adams, Jefferson, Tom Paine, Madison, Washington and the boys). Thanks for your patience and attentiveness and nice comments.

TobinMueller said 1197 days ago

Macjammer Renaissance Man Thanks, Spaz. What I really like to do as squish all those styles into a single song (e.g., Icarus), but doing that is very uncommercial. Maybe part of the revolution is breaking out of the boxes of prepackaging. I just like pulling from different places, synthesizing in the structural sense, and pretending the result is a unique sound. My freshman composition prof pounded the concept of uniqueness into all of us, which I actually rebelled against (since in 1977 that meant John Cage type anti-music noise, which was just another way to follow the crowd, if you ask me), advocating instead a kind of honesty in sound. I just try and write/play what I hear and feel good afterward. Pretty simple, really. Thanks again.

TobinMueller said 1197 days ago

This is tight! Very cool that you thought the whole thing sounded like something 5 guys could perform on stage, this is exactly the end result I was try for. I had other ideas I didn't add in just so this could remain a possibly-performed-by-a-group piece, as is. Thanks for all your other comments too, and thanks for listening to something outside your normal realm, giving it a chance and listen. Isn't MJ great?

TobinMueller said 1201 days ago

Liked the original version… EG, thanks a ton. Very exciting. I've email Ian and had some nice exchanges. I hope it can get some play, would be great. I agree with you, the song doesn't sound Genesis at all. More Kansas than Yes, this new version. Starcastle, I will have to search out their stuff. Personally, I like that it sounds like my son and I jamming, with friends joining in to complete the vision. Don't need any more name dropping than fellow MJers nowadays!

TobinMueller said 1198 days ago

Amazing Production!! Thank you, Mr. C. A major subsection of prog rock is all about the transitions. My favorite is going into "All the hopes, can I let them down?" In fact, the transitions of early prog rock informed my own classical pieces I wrote in the 80s, as I searched for ways to create the energy I absorbed listening to Yes, King Crimson, ELP and others. This track took a ton of time, but when I hear something it is hard to stop until it sounds kind of like what is in my head. I just wish it sounded exactly like what i am hearing! Thanks for all of your kind comments and careful listening.

	TobinMueller said 981 days ago
	Yes and yes Thanks so much. First, I am a huge Yes fan and, indeed, they will continue to be both an influence and inspiration when I try and do more Prog tunes. Second, I'd love to do a track with you. I will email you shortly and suggest some things!

	TobinMueller said 272 days ago
	Rick Wakeman His organ solo in Roundabout is my favorite moment in all rock history. I also loved it in the 70s when he wore a cape on stage. I always wanted to do that.

	TobinMueller said 272 days ago
	Rock opera Thanks for letting us share your bed, if only for a moment. We definitely expend energy on this, and as I re-listen, I really enjoy the bass line. And all the organ layers. Thanks for noticing the arrangement. This project actually came out of a rock opera, so the affinity is almost more a derivative, even tho this track was written just for the CD.

	TobinMueller said 272 days ago
	Alimar, Tadashi Togawa, eleveneyes Nice company. Thanks for the uplifting comments. Tadashi Togawa actually plays on the final track of AUDIOCRACY: Revolution's Son.

	TobinMueller said 272 days ago
	Keith Emerson harmony meets a Yes Structure in the 21st Century Can I use that line? Very cool.

	TobinMueller said 272 days ago
	Zappa-style guitar You're right. I never noticed that until you mentioned it. Darren will think its a groovy comparison, I'm sure. Thanks for the comments.

TobinMueller said 630 days ago

i really like your organ playing Thanks. The track started with me playing 2 organ layers and everything grew from there. So many organ details lost in the building, mixing process, I always feel a sense of loss when I relisten, but the addition of everything else is exciting and more than necessary. When we come out with the Box Set, I'll have to include the original organ tracks just for people who like that sort of thing...