Subject: Session Singer says Sorry!

Ok I've edited!!!

Sorry!

Sorry!

Forgive me & let's all be friends!!

:-) We have a few jams posted in need of vocals. If you think you can handle it Sally...

I don't think she'll be signing for free. That's just a guess.

Greetings guys - Sorry for the late reply. If you need me urgently, contact me via my web site as I can respond much quicker!

I work on all kinds of projects, so don't let my biog put you off. I am not free, but I am reasonably priced!

I'm handy with the spanners if someone wants a bit of plumbing doing.

Also, will sing for chocolate.

Steve

SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM> Did I mention SPAM? T

This is community where individuals galdly help each other out for the absolutel joy and fun of it. While I understand your need to make a living, maybe this is not the best place to fish... unless you want to sally forth and do this pro-bono....
Cheers!
:mrgreen:

Sally forth....heheheh!

Hey. Wait a dog gone minute...If you are indeed reasonable... Well then I have need for a full throated females skills.T

Sorry Spring. Yes you are stirring the pot.There is no giving from this person such as yours. There is only SPAM. I am actually amazed that you would in some way take the back for this rubbish post.Perhaps a rethink on your part would be,,shall we say enlightening....I'll help you out here..The post we are both responding to is "SPAM"...Sorry not to be able to break it to you in a kinder,gentler way....Nice music from you anyway. Thanks for it. T

Ian, of course you were correct in thinking this is a place for musicians of various skill levels. There certainly are people here who get paid for making music. I believe Tobin has made money from music over the course of his long career, for instance. McBoy is a professional at a very high level. I'm not in his league, but I have made my living as a composer for almost thirty years, and I have done many, many paid sessions as a keyboardist during that time. I'm sure there are several other members here who have been paid for their musical skills over the years as well. I believe that that is not the issue here.

I don't believe Tobin has ever solicited himself as a session guy for hire at this site, although with his skills money paid to him for a track on a song would absolutely be worth the investment. Likewise with McBoy. I think they, like many of us, don't see this site in that way. People do tracks for other people here all the time without money changing hands. I would never take a dime from RC Andrews, or Dadai, or Ziti, when I have the honor of playing on their songs. Conversely, I would never do a track for free for one of my corporate clients. It's the nature of the relationship.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Ms. Rivers wanting to be paid for her talent. I hope she stays booked to capacity for as long as she'd like to, and I further hope she loves the session work she gets. However, like some others here, I don't think this is an appropriate site for her to register simply for the selling of her services as a vocalist. The *only* reason I think that is that it goes against the nature of the site. It's not offensive to me that she has chosen to do what she has; instead, it seems little more than simply a case of seeing this site in a way that does not match its actual nature.

As a professional musician, Ian, I have never felt shunned or chastised, as you mentioned, in any way on this site, nor do I see Ms. Rivers being shunned or chastised. She is being informed that, MacJams being what it is, a session singer looking for paying gigs might not expect to get much business here. It's just not what this site is about.

I certainly wouldn't frown on you, Rob. However, if your purpose in registering on this site was only to sell your skills as a guitarist, or as a vocalist, I might advise you that this is probably not a place where you'd get many gigs, in that the members of this site give their considerable skills away for free here on an ongoing basis. And I would hope you were able to get all the session work you could from a more fertile source.

Again, I'm only talking about the nature of the site. Obviously, there is nothing wrong with making money from one's musical skills. And it's a good thing, too, or else I'd not own my house.

-Patrick

Hey Springclock,
I do sessions in my home town all the time. I think that you'll find there are quite a few people on this site who do the same. Maybe I'm off base with understanding what this site is all about, but it seems to me to be a community of artists who support each other in what they do. For me personally I would never ask to be paid by any MacJammer for a collaboration or track I worked on with them, nor would I expect them to ask me for payment to do the same. I don't think musicians who do music for a living are shunned on this site at all, and that's not what I was trying to do, I was merely suggesting that these might not be the most fertile waters to fish, since I've never seen anyone else on this site pimp their services. Stir the pot all you want, but you might not want to ask it for a session fee....
Cheers!
:mrgreen:

This site attracts all sorts, from amateur to pro, and that's one of it's strengths - eveyones got something to learn from each other. But the exchanges here are non-monetary - start doing that, and where do you end up? We're all giving our time freely to collab, and to listen and comment ... to participate.

That's why this site works for me.

Start putting $ and £'s into the equation, and you've got a whole different barrel of monkeys.

Steve

Is it just me, or does there seem to be a lot of people coming onto the site at the moment who seem to have the wrong idea about what MacJams is about? I guess it's just coincidence. A site that gets this much traffic will attract a few people who don't get the spirit with which most regular members approach it. :?

you know....I was not defending the original posting.....I don't even know who she is.....but there is a simple solution.....if you see a post that you don't like, ignore it....pretty simple....I hate it when MJ seems to go to the "uber-cool internet elitist" who decide what is and what isn't....as many sites do....but enough of my meanderings...and now back to our regularly scheduled internet crucifixtion....

"when gravity fades, everything's upright"

I usually do ignore all the posts that rub me the wrong way. With this one, I felt like responding in the nicest way I knew how... I guess you could have ignored the subsequent posts as well, but you didn't. As far as the "uber-cool internet elitist", well you must be talking about yourself here. I was not talking for the whole site, I was stating my personal opinion about what I thought the site is about... But I see here there's no common ground between us on this so I'm now going to shut my pie hole. No, actually I'm going to go fill it with some cake.
Ciao!

I thought my original comment was just funny ... obviously in a group of one here.
Sometimes you can ignore stuff, but sometimes it promotes debate. I think that's healthy ... there is a real issue at the core of this, maybe people here would like to be able to source and hire session musicians.
Whatever, I don't think ignoring it is the best option.

Steve

Guys! I am actually a little offended here!!! I am in a no way a troll! I AM a pro session singer, but I am also a musician through and thro and I have a genuine love of music and my fellow musicians. I keep very busy with the work I have, but I am always on the look out for new people & new projects - the majority will be paid & some will in deed by for the sheer love of it.

So please don't judge me until you have asked me the question. I loathe trolls & loathe spammers & certainly don't consider myself to be either.

Peace!

Admin, please feel free to close this thread. It was not my intention to cause disharmony & I apologise for any offence taken.

Peace.