Subject: Reverse speech

There goes Freud, and more than 100 years of psychology straight onto the scrap heap. Hey ho!

Without getting into a discussion about the validiy of Freud's theories (I'm not saying they weren't valid, I wouldn't know), he was talking about actual dreams; I was talking about that odd period when you are not really asleep or awake, but half-dreaming, which is a bit different - you just think in a dislocated way... perhaps that is what madness is like.

Yes. That happens to me when I'm very tired, but putting off going to bed. Usually it's because I'm reading and trying to get to the end of a chapter. I'll start hearing short sound bursts - very clear and distinct, sometimes a voice saying my name, or "hey" or such, other times percussive sounds like slamming a door. They have never fooled me into thinking they are real - although they sound very realistic - the spatial location is always wrong. Sort of like listening on headphones...

It's nice to know I'm not the only one hearing these things!

I'm glad we're on the same page. I should have been more clear: it's the phenomenon I find of interest, after that, it's a matter of opinion. Lots of "out there" ideas on the 'net. I feel it's important to keep an open mind, but also not to believe everything you read. These things are also great sources for ideas to create things: lyrics, paintings, and so forth.

Brains are wired to search for/create patterns. Some patterns do not have to be learned - for example, as far as I know, all mammals and reptiles recognize what a face is, they don't need to be taught this. To recognize a particular face is learned.
Humans are wonderful at pattern recognition and see patterns where there are none - the face on the moon, people dying in 3's, correlation between sports team performances and election results, the phase of the moon and criminal behavior, ...

The subconscious ?

Here is some of of the terminology Wiki offers on the subject:

"The subconscious mind is halfway between the conscious thinking mind and the unconscious mind or collective unconscious. The thinking mind would be the consciousness and is able to reason and make meaning of things. The subconscious mind is the recording mechanism that records information based on how it was perceived by the judging thinking mind. The unconscious mind is a record of things how they innately are without judgement and is thought to be outside of time and space so therefore is a record of everything in the past, present and future. The subconscious mind takes info from the conscious mind and puts it into the unconscious mind and likewise, the subconscious mind pulls information from the unconscious mind and surfaces through the conscious mind in the form of ideas, inspirations, etc..."

See Hypnagogia.

Bingo !

The bits on lucid dreaming, and wake-initiated lucid dream technique are interesting. A friend of mine assures me that such a state can be achieved with practise.

Google "seth dreams" - my latest reading adventure is "Seth, Dreams and Projections of Consciousness" - although I'm beginning to suspect the theory is mostly inside-out. Interesting nevertheless.

That's where this song came from.

Not sure about the subscounscious: and I can't go along with the wikki quote by cchaplin about the unconscious mind effectively seeing into the future - this is wishful mysticism. I've never experienced the aural or tactile hallucinations such as those described in the intriguing link above (apart from the common one where a leg twitch makes you think you've missed a step): as I said, I get my half-asleep mind making connections which turn out on waking up a bit to be invalid (and surreal): and I would differentiate this from actual dreams - my dreams are visually detailed and usually set in a familiar (though incorrectly 'rendered') surroundings, and usually represent anxiety situations - missed trains and so on (no psychoanalysis, please).

What has all this got to do with reverse speech, or indeed computer music? The OP is to be congratulated for starting something here. That's what I like about this forum - no Thought Police shouting 'Off Topic! - pull over!' - and it's fascinating where these discussions can lead.

With all due respect, I don’t think that’s what was meant.

Time and space do not exist within the unconscious, so within that realm of the unconscious - and only within that realm - past present and future all happen at the same time (so to speak). Which has nothing to do with seeing or predicting the future. There simply is no future to see into in a world outside of time and space.

This does take a bit of getting your head round... it does say 'is thought to be outside of time and space so therefore is a record of everything in the past, present and future' (my italics)... however, yes, I would agree that this doesn't mean literally foreseeing the future (like next week's lottery numbers). I wonder what it does mean?

Hey I need to know about something. Does anyone else get this. When I listen to a song here. And push the Apple key and the arrow pointing to the left.The song plays backwards.Does this mean my computer is in some state of possesion? Can the Apple techs do exorcisms or would that not be covered under Apple Care?
...>>> I.ve ar rather am working on an exspansion of this reverse speech to embrace MORE. If yoi pull up one of your fav. songs here.Then click play and take a stroll around the house while listening. Move some items around or open a door or window. Then make your way back to your computer and do the Apple plus left arrow thing. You now can not only hear all the messages. But if you do exactly what you did physically in reverse. You will start to see spirits that you didn't notice. This works best when you are totally pissed and in your cups. Also watch out for the dog if you have one. Another fact about babies. They can swimm before they can crawl. Taylor

I don't have a dog but I keep finding slugs in my kitchen. Do they count?

(Actually I don't see why they should, they don't read or write).