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 VicDiesel | October 13, 2008 1:22:58 PM Quote by: Repulsive_Landlord Folks, Christian and other religious leaders are not all like this. True, and irrelevant. If McCain gets elected, I'm sure it's not the ones that are "not like this" that will have the biggest influence on his policies. Victor. |
 guitapick | October 13, 2008 1:53:56 PM Quote by: pablatone The entire old testament is about God' dealing with one specific people, the Jews, and he did absolutely favor them over all the other nations. There are several places in Psalms I believe it is, where God is entreated to act "for his namesake" in other words for his reputation. There are reasons why such a statement would be made, I won't go into that right now, but praying like that is not unprecedented. Both old and new testaments talk about other gods, but say there is only one true God. I'm not sure about other religions but, the Bible is emphatic that those who would follow God should use all their heart, mind, spirit, and strength to know him and his will. We may not be able to fully comprehend God, but there is a lot about him we can know and we are responsible for that. As an everyday churchgoer in my childhood, through confirmation and my days as an altar boy, I could never, for the life of me, understand or accept this aspect of religion. The idea that God was sending me out there to spread his word to people who had their own set of beliefs and religions. Whether they wanted it or not. It's the precept that the Crusades were built on. It's creating war. Plain and simple. In the name of God. I just can't accept that. |
 Ejh | October 13, 2008 1:59:17 PM Quote by: Ibstrat The increasing infiltration of government by people like this is very disturbing. And the increasing infiltration of religion by people like this is disturbing, as well. I don't walk away from this thinking, "Now THERE is a man who's close to God." I walk away from this frightened for all the kids in the audience, growing up in the midst of this. Ed |
 Macaudion | October 13, 2008 2:58:34 PM Quote by: futzpucker "That's exactly what struck me the hardest, too, Dion. A mortal man believes he needs to remind God Almighty, The Creator Of The Universe And All That Exists Therein, that He needs to guard His reputation. "I do?" said God. "That's right! I do! Why do I always forget to guard my reputation? Shucks. Thanks, dude." Um, like, wow times infinity..." Okay now, that's funny stuff, Patrick. And to think that in the hierarchy of, "ranking beings" and to what high degree of respect or "right treatment" they might be shown, a god would be way far up there and at a highest place, one would think. Well, maybe he was just having an off day and this wasn't as good as it gets with "right treatment" and this guy. Yea, that's it!... I'm gonna go with that... |
 cchaplin | October 13, 2008 5:40:55 PM A God with a dodgy reputation ? At last, I've found my Religion ! |
 12parsecs | October 13, 2008 6:22:06 PM yep, the creator of the UNIVERSE should be very concerned with his rep on one end of a tiny planet. anyway, saw an interesting movie the other day... religulous. anyone else catch this? |
 LunaTrick | October 13, 2008 8:42:52 PM Great advert for the separation of church and state. Send that pastor's church a tax bill! God might be Republican - but his pacifist, endlessly forgiving, communistic, community organizing son is definitely a Liberal! And how ignorant... Hindu is a god now? And what about - do not tempt the lord your god? Moron! |
 Repulsive_Landlord | October 14, 2008 9:39:48 AM Quote by: Ibstrat Of course you are correct.The increasing infiltration of government by people like this is very disturbing.Religion can be a very positive thing but way too many people are using it to indoctrinate. Quote by: VicDiesel The video is obviously a rub against Religion/McCain. As I said, I think the reverend in the video is out of line as is Jeremiah Wright.True, and irrelevant. If McCain gets elected, I'm sure it's not the ones that are "not like this" that will have the biggest influence on his policies. Victor. I heartily disagree that my other comments are irrelevant. If we think that these two presidential candidates are and will be so influenced by these, their own respective church leaders, to make policy based on this kind of trash from both church leaders, we really are in trouble. Like I said, not all Christian and religious leaders are like these two pitiful examples. I have a much more optimistic perspective of both Obama and McCain. I don't, however, have a very optimistic perspective of the voting populace on either side of the fence... |
 Bowman | October 14, 2008 10:51:26 AM Curious about what exactly God is supposed to do to make sure his reputation isn't tarnished. Maybe he'll enter into the minds of all those infidel liberals and make them involuntarily yank down McCain's lever when they go into that voting both? |
 rockstar89 | October 14, 2008 2:07:40 PM For a nice rebuttal on "ignorance" check out the NO COMMENT II link...love to hear thoughts on it. |
| October 14, 2008 2:26:31 PM Quote by: Repulsive_Landlord Quote by: Ibstrat Of course you are correct.The increasing infiltration of government by people like this is very disturbing.Religion can be a very positive thing but way too many people are using it to indoctrinate. Quote by: VicDiesel The video is obviously a rub against Religion/McCain. As I said, I think the reverend in the video is out of line as is Jeremiah Wright.True, and irrelevant. If McCain gets elected, I'm sure it's not the ones that are "not like this" that will have the biggest influence on his policies. Victor. I heartily disagree that my other comments are irrelevant. If we think that these two presidential candidates are and will be so influenced by these, their own respective church leaders, to make policy based on this kind of trash from both church leaders, we really are in trouble. Like I said, not all Christian and religious leaders are like these two pitiful examples. I have a much more optimistic perspective of both Obama and McCain. I don't, however, have a very optimistic perspective of the voting populace on either side of the fence... Finally! A breath of fresh air in a Forum filled with the usual self-righteous arrogance and ignorance. Peace! |
 futzpucker | October 14, 2008 4:03:32 PM Quote by: Micheal_Wark Finally! A breath of fresh air in a Forum filled with the usual self-righteous arrogance and ignorance. Michael, for what it's worth, I'd be careful about calling a forum "filled with the usual self-righteous arrogance and ignorance". Doing so might come across as self-righteous, arrogant, and ignorant. Some context about my perspective: Virtually all the reading I do is in regards to spiritual matters (plus some sprinkling of music trade publications), and I am coming to the end of my tenth year as the music minister of a Catholic church. This doesn't make me an authority, but helps shape my opinions, which I consider neither self-righteous, arrogant, nor ignorant. Quote by: Micheal_Wark Additionally, I perceive no peace in the statement you made. Quite to the contrary, actually. Maybe something to think about...Peace! |
 rover101 | October 14, 2008 4:34:28 PM Quote by: futzpucker Quote by: Micheal_Wark Finally! A breath of fresh air in a Forum filled with the usual self-righteous arrogance and ignorance. Michael, for what it's worth, I'd be careful about calling a forum "filled with the usual self-righteous arrogance and ignorance". Doing so might come across as self-righteous, arrogant, and ignorant. Just like so many of his other posts |
Ejh | October 14, 2008 6:50:10 PM Quote by: Micheal_Wark Finally! A breath of fresh air in a Forum filled with the usual self-righteous arrogance and ignorance. Peace! Michael, I've simply had it. I am flat out tired of YOUR 'usual self-righteous arrogance'. I'm tired of you and others like you calling anyone who disagrees with you 'ignorant'. I am sick and tired of seeing it stated or implied by you and others in these forums that those who disagree with you are less educated, less well read, or less intelligent. In addition to being self-righteous and arrogant, that is also insulting. It is particularly annoying to me to watch you and others like you do so, and then cap it off by saying that it's everyone ELSE (that is, everyone else who disagrees with you) who is being arrogant, usually going on to finish offensive comments with 'peace' or calling the person or persons you're insulting or talking down to 'brother'. Ed |
 pablatone | October 14, 2008 7:14:25 PM I think it's amazing that someone praying about an election gets folks around here all fired up but something like Acorn and election fraud doesn't even merit a whimper. |
futzpucker | October 14, 2008 7:24:19 PM Quote by: pablatone I see this as an over-simplification which doesn't accurately describe the conversation in this thread...I think it's amazing that someone praying about an election gets folks around here all fired up Quote by: pablatone ...and this as a non sequitur. You are certainly free to start threads about the topics you raised.but something like Acorn and election fraud doesn't even merit a whimper. |
 bug67 | October 14, 2008 7:29:08 PM Quote by: pablatone I think it's amazing that someone praying about an election gets folks around here all fired up but something like Acorn and election fraud doesn't even merit a whimper. It's not that he prayed about the election, it's what he said/the way he said it that's got everyone fired up. How dare a mere human presume to tell the All Mighty his reputation's at stake. It's ridiculous to say the least and extremely blasphemous if you truly follow the teachings of, not just Christ but, any major religion. You know, do unto others, love thy neighbor and all that. |
pablatone | October 14, 2008 7:43:38 PM Quote by: 12parsecs yep, the creator of the UNIVERSE should be very concerned with his rep on one end of a tiny planet. anyway, saw an interesting movie the other day... religulous. anyone else catch this? I saw some of the trailers from it, I'll wait till it's out on dvd to see it, then I can steal it! (just kidding). What did you find interesting about it? |
 chikoppi | October 14, 2008 8:10:27 PM Quote by: 12parsecs I caught it over the weekend. Its very entertaining! Maher speaks with a menagerie of personalities and engages each, from truckers to Nobel laureates, with equal humor and candor. It isn't so much anti-religion as it is an indictment against hypocrites and fundamentalists and a plea to separate them from social and political influence. I think anyone who is humble in his or her faith will enjoy, and dare I say agree with, it as much as the agnostics and atheists. anyway, saw an interesting movie the other day... religulous. anyone else catch this? |
pablatone | October 14, 2008 8:32:15 PM Quote by: bug67 Quote by: pablatone I think it's amazing that someone praying about an election gets folks around here all fired up but something like Acorn and election fraud doesn't even merit a whimper. It's not that he prayed about the election, it's what he said/the way he said it that's got everyone fired up. How dare a mere human presume to tell the All Mighty his reputation's at stake. It's ridiculous to say the least and extremely blasphemous if you truly follow the teachings of, not just Christ but, any major religion. You know, do unto others, love thy neighbor and all that. Not at all. Moses told God that very thing, and there is at least one other person in the Torah who did the same, probably more, But I don't remember exactly who they were right now. But this seems to me like an odd thing to get excited about. here they are- Solomon-1 kings 8:41, David- Psalm 25:11, 79:9, 109:21, Jeremiah- Jer 14:7, Paul- Romans 1:5, God himself- Ezekiel 20:44, Isaiah 48:9. personally, I don't think God's rep is going to be effected at all no matter what happens in Nov. The USA does not have most favored nation status with him. That's something many of my brothers tend to forget. |
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