Given that you leave voting enabled, ya goes with wot ya get...I still say, if you reckon you're getting bombed, make a joke of it; enjoy being rude to an a-hole, give everyone else a laugh.
Cheers, Shaky
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 rover101 | September 23, 2007 6:30:14 PM |
 biba_nova | September 23, 2007 7:12:15 PM Quote by: Mystified 10= I-really-freakin'-dig-this-song! 9=I really dig this song 8= This song is cool! 7= Decent song, dude/dudette... 6= Ok. It's a good song 5 = "I don't believe in giving out numbers higher than a 5 to most songs, anyway..." 4=Dude! Who gave this song a 10? I'm going to even out the average a little 3=What am I listening to? 2=2's not that bad...It's not quite a bomb, right? 1=Oh. 10 is the highest? I thought 1 was the top vote. Isn't it more like this? 10 = 'She has got a lovely voice and is so talented and the music is so great' 9 = She has got a great voice 8 = She is a pretty good singer 7 = She is quite good and has nice eyes 6 = I like her voice 5 = Who does he think he is? 4 = Are there any more songs on here by girls with pretty voices? 3, 2, 1 = Great guitar playing, production and song - but you are a bloke so...where are the songs by the ladies Ya gets me?? |
 Rob | September 23, 2007 9:38:50 PM Quote by: the r.a.d. project rob, you are really beginning to tire me. yeah, this has all been discussed before, but does it make it any less relevant to people who are experiencing it for the first time? and let us all be real here; we all put a ton of time, emotion and energy into every note we sing, compose play and mix. to think we are all prolific songwriters of rob's category would be silly. i am nowhere near rob's overwhelming talent, but i do hate it when i put all i have on the line, and someone who either dislikes me or dislikes themself has to bomb my music, and rip into my style of playing, writing etc... now we cannot all be rob, with his million dollar studio, and his crew of studio musicians on standby, ready to release the next big thing, but we can all agree that everyone's voice has relevance, regardless of talent, or musical style. we can agree that everyone's voice rings with relevancy to someone, even if it is not us it rings for. music is being taken away from our youth at a devastating rate. it is being phased out of american schools and replaced with acounting and customer service training. to bomb creativity out of jealousy or because you personally dont like someone places you in the same category as those who would get rid of music in schools and leave the creativity to a chosen few, rather than everyone! we can agree that arrogance toward another person is simply a lack of stability in that person's own emotional makeup. ratings are flawed, but so is the human condition. if we all possessed rob's genius and hit writing musical ability, there would be no need for a site such as macjams to hone and refine our craft amongst others who love music as equally as we do ourselves. if you want to be smart and funny at the same time, rob, do it the right way and have a little respect for others around you. Wow. If you want to attack me personally, feel free. I'm not trying to be smart nor funny. If one has voting enabled and then cries about not getting 10s? That's pretty pathetic. Why should my honest vote be any less valid simply because I don't vote along the curve with the rest of the MJ Circle Jerk Club? What's "fair" about that? It's crap. It's been crap since the day they started arbitrarily deleting votes to appease the vocal minority of the MJCJC. If you don't want to know don't ask. |
Allen Dean | September 23, 2007 9:58:39 PM Quote by: Rob Quote by: the r.a.d. project rob, you are really beginning to tire me. yeah, this has all been discussed before, but does it make it any less relevant to people who are experiencing it for the first time? and let us all be real here; we all put a ton of time, emotion and energy into every note we sing, compose play and mix. to think we are all prolific songwriters of rob's category would be silly. i am nowhere near rob's overwhelming talent, but i do hate it when i put all i have on the line, and someone who either dislikes me or dislikes themself has to bomb my music, and rip into my style of playing, writing etc... now we cannot all be rob, with his million dollar studio, and his crew of studio musicians on standby, ready to release the next big thing, but we can all agree that everyone's voice has relevance, regardless of talent, or musical style. we can agree that everyone's voice rings with relevancy to someone, even if it is not us it rings for. music is being taken away from our youth at a devastating rate. it is being phased out of american schools and replaced with acounting and customer service training. to bomb creativity out of jealousy or because you personally dont like someone places you in the same category as those who would get rid of music in schools and leave the creativity to a chosen few, rather than everyone! we can agree that arrogance toward another person is simply a lack of stability in that person's own emotional makeup. ratings are flawed, but so is the human condition. if we all possessed rob's genius and hit writing musical ability, there would be no need for a site such as macjams to hone and refine our craft amongst others who love music as equally as we do ourselves. if you want to be smart and funny at the same time, rob, do it the right way and have a little respect for others around you. Wow. If you want to attack me personally, feel free. I'm not trying to be smart nor funny. If one has voting enabled and then cries about not getting 10s? That's pretty pathetic. Why should my honest vote be any less valid simply because I don't vote along the curve with the rest of the MJ Circle Jerk Club? What's "fair" about that? It's crap. It's been crap since the day they started arbitrarily deleting votes to appease the vocal minority of the MJCJC. If you don't want to know don't ask. do you feel attacked, bro? i am not saying i believe in the whole rating system. i dont put ratings on my own songs. if someone has a comment to make about my tune, leave me a comment. all i am saying is there are spineless people out there, who for whatever reason would rather bomb someones song than actually have the balls to leave thier comment... every time you leave a comment on these threads it is the same old smartass thing. you do not try to put yourself in someone esle's shoes, you do not try to be anything other than an ass. was that personal enough for you? you add nothing at all construstive to the thread other than how bored you are with it. dont post. dont tell the person who obviously needs some answers or simply to vent, to grow up or to get a thicker skin, add something worth reading. i think you are a descent musician. and probably under all that ego, a good dude. but this is a community. 99% of the people here support one another. let me tell you something, bro, it means alot. other sites do nothing but pan your shit all day about production, and all kinds of other issues, but here, even a guy who cannot play an instrument can get the encouragement he/she needs to be creative. CREATIVE. try being a little more human, and a lot less of a smartass. |
Rob | September 23, 2007 10:17:39 PM Quote by: the r.a.d. project Quote by: Rob Quote by: the r.a.d. project rob, you are really beginning to tire me. yeah, this has all been discussed before, but does it make it any less relevant to people who are experiencing it for the first time? and let us all be real here; we all put a ton of time, emotion and energy into every note we sing, compose play and mix. to think we are all prolific songwriters of rob's category would be silly. i am nowhere near rob's overwhelming talent, but i do hate it when i put all i have on the line, and someone who either dislikes me or dislikes themself has to bomb my music, and rip into my style of playing, writing etc... now we cannot all be rob, with his million dollar studio, and his crew of studio musicians on standby, ready to release the next big thing, but we can all agree that everyone's voice has relevance, regardless of talent, or musical style. we can agree that everyone's voice rings with relevancy to someone, even if it is not us it rings for. music is being taken away from our youth at a devastating rate. it is being phased out of american schools and replaced with acounting and customer service training. to bomb creativity out of jealousy or because you personally dont like someone places you in the same category as those who would get rid of music in schools and leave the creativity to a chosen few, rather than everyone! we can agree that arrogance toward another person is simply a lack of stability in that person's own emotional makeup. ratings are flawed, but so is the human condition. if we all possessed rob's genius and hit writing musical ability, there would be no need for a site such as macjams to hone and refine our craft amongst others who love music as equally as we do ourselves. if you want to be smart and funny at the same time, rob, do it the right way and have a little respect for others around you. Wow. If you want to attack me personally, feel free. I'm not trying to be smart nor funny. If one has voting enabled and then cries about not getting 10s? That's pretty pathetic. Why should my honest vote be any less valid simply because I don't vote along the curve with the rest of the MJ Circle Jerk Club? What's "fair" about that? It's crap. It's been crap since the day they started arbitrarily deleting votes to appease the vocal minority of the MJCJC. If you don't want to know don't ask. do you feel attacked, bro? i am not saying i believe in the whole rating system. i dont put ratings on my own songs. if someone has a comment to make about my tune, leave me a comment. all i am saying is there are spineless people out there, who for whatever reason would rather bomb someones song than actually have the balls to leave thier comment... every time you leave a comment on these threads it is the same old smartass thing. you do not try to put yourself in someone esle's shoes, you do not try to be anything other than an ass. was that personal enough for you? you add nothing at all construstive to the thread other than how bored you are with it. dont post. dont tell the person who obviously needs some answers or simply to vent, to grow up or to get a thicker skin, add something worth reading. i think you are a descent musician. and probably under all that ego, a good dude. but this is a community. 99% of the people here support one another. let me tell you something, bro, it means alot. other sites do nothing but pan your shit all day about production, and all kinds of other issues, but here, even a guy who cannot play an instrument can get the encouragement he/she needs to be creative. CREATIVE. try being a little more human, and a lot less of a smartass. lol now THAT'S reality. |
 djdrshaman | September 23, 2007 10:59:49 PM I am glad to know I am not the only one to have experienced this phenomenon - and that the topic has provoked some heated discussion. Bottom lime: I think we all want some kind of feedback on our work - so if someone dissents from the majority opinion (the "MJCJC", so to speak) - well, I'd want to know his/her reasons. And in response to RAD's posts on this topic, yes I believe very much in the sense of community this site provides. We are here to support each other, help each other come closer to fulfilling his/her potential as an artist - so, yes, we want feedback, not random bombings. I'm not talking about hurt feelings here, I am talking about community, and the aesthetic/spirit behind Macjams as a collective entity. |
N.O.W.™ | September 24, 2007 12:55:55 AM If all your song' scores are sitting at an average of 7 or higher you should be signed to a major label with a back catalogue of at least 3 albums. Honestly, if you were to listen to your favourite album and critique each song would they all be 7 or higher? The ones on that album that you feel don't make the cut are the ones you need to be comparing your shit to. Chances are your tracks don't come close - so where does this leave you? What should be an appropriate score for your track that doesn't compare to even the shittiest track on your favourite album? I find too many people here think they are "the shit" when in actuality all they are is shit. |
 nevermine | September 24, 2007 2:53:09 AM YES I HAVE SO I STARTED VOTING FOR MYSELF JUST TO GET THE SCORE BACK TO NORMAL HEHE BUT NOW I DON"T LET ANYONE VOTE JUST SO THAT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COMMENT CANNOT HIDE FROM ME ANYMORE HEHE ;) JUST LIKE THIS POST IN CAPS LOCK HAHA ciao from oz !!! |
egobandit2 | September 24, 2007 7:54:27 AM Quote by: N.O.W.™ No ego no hassleIf all your song' scores are sitting at an average of 7 or higher you should be signed to a major label with a back catalogue of at least 3 albums. Honestly, if you were to listen to your favourite album and critique each song would they all be 7 or higher? The ones on that album that you feel don't make the cut are the ones you need to be comparing your shit to. Chances are your tracks don't come close - so where does this leave you? What should be an appropriate score for your track that doesn't compare to even the shittiest track on your favourite album? I find too many people here think they are "the shit" when in actuality all they are is shit. |
djdrshaman | September 24, 2007 8:08:55 AM hey ego - great response. To some extent I do agree with NOW's point of view - think of how our work would measure up in the real world - where albums by established commercial artists get panned by critics left and right. But does Britney get all bent out of shape? She's still selling records. No ego no hassle - I don't understand, however, the aggressively bellicose tone that is becoming evident in this thread. There is some involved discourse- but let's please refrain from the negativity. This was not meant to be a bash session - just a forum for sharing one's experience with the voting s*** phenomenon. |
egobandit2 | September 24, 2007 8:41:16 AM Quote by: djdrshaman I have been at MJ's about a year and it seems this topic comes up from time to time. For me I think all pionts are valid getting nasty dosnt solve anything. There have been people who pulled all thier songs and even deleted thier accounts over stuff like this. No ego no hassel is just me trying to make light out of a situation that could get out of hand more than it already is. I dont know if you read it but i replied to this post earlier. Im not pimping my song Bomb thread but if any one wants to read the comments on that song song you will see how out of hand it got before, and that was just the tip of the ice berg. Oh well I guees that as long as the bomb guy is out thier this topic will always come up because there will always be someone new here at MJ's who will get bomb and wonder what the fuck is going on (sorry for the expletive) Like I have said before MJ's will not make you famous its just a place to exchange musical ideas a place to showcase your musical endevors with people who also have a need to be heard. If not thier songs would sit on thier computers with no where to go .alright enough from me!hey ego - great response. To some extent I do agree with NOW's point of view - think of how our work would measure up in the real world - where albums by established commercial artists get panned by critics left and right. But does Britney get all bent out of shape? She's still selling records. No ego no hassle - I don't understand, however, the aggressively bellicose tone that is becoming evident in this thread. There is some involved discourse- but let's please refrain from the negativity. This was not meant to be a bash session - just a forum for sharing one's experience with the voting s*** phenomenon. |
djdrshaman | September 24, 2007 9:00:52 AM hey ego- thx so much for sharing - when my work started getting bombed i almost wanted to stop hangin out at MJ- but like you said, this community is a place for people to be free and creative., period- we are not talking about getting a record deal with Capitol, guys. And all I'm saying is, to whoever those bombers are, just have the f8****** balls to say why you've dumped your stink. And please- be constructive not nasty and negative. there's too much of that already in the world today. |
 alanfraser | September 24, 2007 9:27:58 AM So, does Eric Clapton suck or what? (Newbies, like vote-bombing, that's another classic thread that goes on until someone calls someone else a Nazi) |
 bud | September 24, 2007 9:42:42 AM Best thing I've done for my music: Joining MacJams Second best thing: Giving and getting comments Third best thing: Disabling ratings |
Faelin | September 24, 2007 9:49:55 AM ok, now i feel it's time weigh in. i have seen many threads about this, and like ego said, someone new will always have it happen and wonder why. the only (and i mean ONLY) thing i like about icomp over macjams is their voting. with their system, you HAVE to comment to vote, and it sows you exactly how a person voted. i think it is a huge crock of steaming crap that people come and vote and not explain why. i am all for constructive critiques... bring them on, tell me how you feel, tell what you like/do not like... but do not vote and not explain it. that's just cowardly! it you don't like the freaking song, great... i probably don't like something of yours, either!!! but, grow some balls and tell me instead of hiding behind a veil of anonymity. i do not expect pats on the back and atta boys. all i want is to share my tunes... for that reason, i have my song ratings disabled. that forces a listener to either comment or not, period! that's what i do, i either comment or i do not. that's what i recommend until the admins decide to take away the anonymous voting system... simply disable the ratings. welcome to macjams... it's a good community, don't let retards spoil your experience, bro! |
 Feter | September 24, 2007 9:56:17 AM Quote by: bud Best thing I've done for my music: Joining MacJams Second best thing: Giving and getting comments Third best thing: Disabling ratings Ditto !! |
Calchas | September 24, 2007 11:14:00 AM Quote by: bud Best thing I've done for my music: Joining MacJams Second best thing: Giving and getting comments Third best thing: Disabling ratings I was going to add my two cents worth...but then I saw that Bud did it for me! |
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